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trump care. the house hands the president his first major victory in congress. >> the ayes are 217. nays 213. the bill is passed. >> to start replacing obamacare. >> this is a great plan. i actually think it will get better. >> but are senate republicans onboard? >> the senate will write its own bill. >> health & human services secretary dr. tom price joins us live. and, democrats' next move.
the minority party issues a warning to their colleagues across the aisle on health care. >> you have every provision of this bill tattooed on your forehead. you will glow in the dark on this one. >> and even taunts republicans on the house floor. ♪ hey hey good-bye >> could this cost republicans control of congress? plus, hillary clinton taking stock and pointing fingers. >> i was on the way to winning until a combination of jim comey's letter and russian wikileaks. and, plotting her next move. >> i'm now back to being an activist citizen and part of the resistance. >> could she be setting up a ground game for another run? the best political minds will be here on what happens next. hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the statute of our union is in a state of plux.
we are watching as potentially big changes taking place both at home and abroad. voting is under way in france after a turbulent campaign there where far right candidate marine le pen is hoping to ride a populist wave into the french presidency. she's challenging center left candidate emmanuel macron whose campaign saw the results of a last-minute e-mail hacking published on friday. the winner will lead a nation that has a serious jobs crisis and try to chart a new path on trade and globalization. i believe the french have a term for it. i believe they call it deja vu. here in the u.s., republicans and democrats are both looking forward to the next front in the battle over health care legislation. the u.s. senate as house republicans celebrated the health care bill passed on thursday. democrats immediately got to work to try to target vulnerable members who voted for it. ads around the country are set to air tomorrow, mostly in congressional districts won by hillary clinton with a republican representative in the house, including this six-figure tv and digital campaign from the
liberal group save my care. here's a slice of the ad targeted against arizona congresswoman martha mcsally. >> reporter: congresswoman mcsally just voted for a disastrous health care repeal bill opposed by the american medical association, aarp and the american cancer society. mcsally voted to raise your costs and cut coverage for millions. to let insurance companies deny affordable coverage for cancer treatment and maternity care. and charge five times more for people over 50. >> the legislation does face an uncertain future in the senate where republicans' two-vote margin makes any controversial ploigs in the legislation a potential bill killer. the president just tweeted about this this morning quiting, "republicans senators will not let the american people down. obamacare premiums and deductibles are way up. it was a lie and it is dead. let's talk more about the secretary of health & human services, dr. price.
during the campaign president trump presented himself as a different kind of republican saying he would protect medicate, that's the health care program for the poor and also people with disabilities. he said he would do that without mi making any cuts to medicaid. >> i'm not going to cut social security like every other republican and i'm not going to cut mead care or medicaid. >> save medicare, medicaid and social security without cuts. have to do it. >> save medicaid without cuts. but according to the congressional budget office, the let care bim that just passed the house would cut $880 billion over 10 years from med cain. i know the trump administration is excited that medicaid will go back to the states where they have more control and can experiment and be more efficient. but without question, $880 billion fewer is a cut. how is that not a broken promise? >> look at the medicaid program that we have right now, jake. that's a program where one-third of the physicians that ought to be seeing medicaid patients aren't. that's because there is a
fundamental flaw within the program itself. so what we're trying to do is to -- and we ask you and the american people to march a medicaid system that actually works better for patients. medicaid is a system that deals with the disabled, the elderly, healthy moms and kids. yet the federal government up to this point has said to the states you've got to treat every single one of those individuals exactly the same. that doesn't make any sense to anybody. so what we are fashioning is a system that would allow the states to tailor their medicate program to those specific individuals thereby saving money, yes, but also making it so that they have a higher loefl and quality of care. >> well, i know a little bit about this because my dad is a pediatrician in south philadelphia and he takes medicaid dollars. one of the reasons so many physicians do not is the medicaid reimbursement level for doctors is so little as opposed
to the reimbursement level for medicare, which is for seniors. why will cutting $880 billion over ten years from the program encourage doctors to keep taking it? sounds to me that it will actually discourage doctors? less money, lower reimbursement rates. >> remember what the 880 billion mr. is off of. it's off what's called a baseline which is what the federal government, the congressional budget office, says we would spend if we just continued current law. the fact of the matter is medicaid spending under the proposal and under the budget goes up every single year. it goes up by a factor that's equal to the cost of medical care. that means that the states will have greater flexibility to provide coverage and care for their medicaid population than they do right now, and that's incredibly important because as your dad sees, i'm absolutely certain, is that oftentimes the medicaid reimbursement doesn't cover the costs of the provision of the care for those kids that he's taking care of. now imagine a system that allowed greater flexibility so that more resources could be put
to the seniors and the disabled, and appropriate resources could be put to the healthy moms and kids in the medicaid system. that's a system that again works better for patients than it does for government or insurance companies. >> but the cbo, the congressional budget office, looked at the plan that passed the house, although there were some changes to it, and said 14 million people who are on medicaid will no longer be able to be on medicaid. governors from around the country, including the seven republicans i'm about to put on the screen, they're on the record say being they are concerned about these cuts to medicaid in this health care bill. if you believe in sending this back to the states, shouldn't you and president trump be listingening to these republican governors who are on the front lines? >> oh, in fact we have listened and we've listened very intently. i've had wonderful meetings with republican governors. remember that there are no cuts to the medicaid program. they are increases in spending. but what we're doing it is apportioning it in a way that allows states greater
flexibility to cover and care for their medicaid population. this is incredibly important. i know the media loves to talk about the cuts that the cbo talks about. but again what the congressional budget office measures is spending as if nothing changes at all, as if the program is doing just fine, thank you very much. the fact of the matter is that the program didn't doing just fine. what the president's commitment is, what our commitment is at health & human services is to make certain that those individuals in the medicaid population get not just the coverage that they need but the care that they need. that's what's important. >> are you actually saying that $880 billion in cuts according tots cbo, however you want to talk about that not being the cut, that that's actually not going to result in millions of americans not getting medicaid? >> absolutely not. and we believe strongly that the medicaid population that will be cared for in a better way under our program -- because it will be more responsive to them. these decisions will be made closer to them. right now you've got washington,
d.c. dictating to the states and dictating to patients exactly what must occur. that's not how a healthy health system works. a healthy health system works by allowing those individuals closest to the patients themselves to be making those decisions. from the president's perspective and our perspective that means patients and families and doctors making medical decisions, not washington, d.c. >> well, as you know, a lot of doctors don't like this plan, including the american medical association, which you are a member of, which endorsed you to become secretary of the department of health and human services. tomorrow a liberal health care grouped save my care will launch a six-fill ad campaign against 24 republican members of the house who votesed to repeal obamacare in this bill. the ad notes that the bill is opposed by the ama, the aarp, the american cancer society. what's your message out there to someone at home who looks at this list, watches this ad and wonders, if it's such a good idea, why are those three groups against it? >> i would urge that they talk to their doctor.
talk to their provider. when i talk to the docs i used to practice with right here in atlanta they tell me the current system isn't working for them or for their patients. we've got 120 milli20 million f across this land who told the federal government i'm not participating in your program because it doesn't do what i need done. they're paying the irs a fine or penalty because the federal government is dictating to them what they don't want to do, or they're saying give me a waiver. that's a system that may work for government. it may work for insurance companies but it's not working for patients. so the system that we want is a system that works for patients and families and doctors. talk to your doctor. ask your doctor whether or not he or she is having challenges because of what the federal government puts in their way. the kinds of rules and regulations that make it more difficult for them to care for you. when i cared for patients, i knew that the federal government oftentimes was making it much more difficult for me to do for my patients what i knew to be best. and that's the system that we want to get away from. we want to get it into the
direction of a system that works for patients. >> as you know, a lot of working class voters went in there in november and pulled the lever for president trump having heard him say that he was going to keep their medicaid, save their medicaid, without any cuts. cbo says this is an $880 billion cut, and i asked you at the top, and i wonder if if you can just directly answer this. because one of the frustrations people have with how obamacare was sold to the public is that politicians weren't straight. they didn't being a floj that there were winners and losers. there were winners and losers with obamacare. there are winners and losers with trump care as well. $880 billion, that's a cut from medicaid. how is that not a broken promise? had. >> look, jake. the winners under obamacare were the federal government and insurance companies. the winners under the program that we provide and that we believe is the most appropriate whether patients and families and doctors. the reduction in spending that the congressional budget office cites is, again, off the current
law baseline. that means if we did nothing at all, if we just continued this broken program for the next ten years, how much money would the federal government spend? i would suggest to you that the american people are sick and tired of business as usual in washington and they're sick and tired of their tax dollars going to programs that actually don't work. we want a medicaid system that works for those patients. we wants a medicaid system that doesn't just provide them a card that says they have coverage but doesn't provide them the kind of care that they need. that's the distinction that i would ask them to draw. >> president trump in the rose garden ceremony for the house passing the bill said that premiums are going to go down, deductibles are going to go down. you stand by that? >> absolutely. and it will so because you increase competition, you increase choices into the system. you allow young people who are now saying to the program, look, i don't need all that. you allow them to have the opportunity to purchase the kind of coverage that they wants for themselves and for their families, not that the government forces them to buy. that's a huge, huge benefit to,
again, the individual patients. it may not help the government. it may not help insurance companies, but it is a huge benefit to patients. if you're an individual patient out there that you've got pre-existing conditions, the president and the department of health and human services are absolutely committed to making certain that you are able to have coverage that you want and allows you to have coverage that will care for you in a way that makes it so that you can select the doctor that you want to care for you and the place that you want to be treated. >> we have a lot more to talk about but i'm running outs of time. dr. tom price, thank you for your time. coming up, woefully inadequate, disappointing. more next. i lost my sight in afghanistan. if you're totally blind, you may also be struggling with non-24. calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com. start your day with the number one choice of dentists. philips sonicare removes significantly more plaque
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republican party together. we're going to get this finished. >> not so fast. 20 republicans in the house voted against the bill and multiple republican senators want to write their own version. can this be fixed in the senate to bring the party together? joining me now, republican governor john kasich of ohio, author of the new book two paths, which will be on the best sellers list. thanks for joining me. you've called the bill woefully inadequate and very disappointing. what in your view is wrong with the bill? >> well, first of all, jake, in the area of medicaid, they are going to eliminate medicaid expansion. and i cover in ohio 700,000 people now, one-third of whom have mental illness, drug addiction, and one-quarter of whom have chronic disease. in 2020 that program was frozen
and people psyche of off that program. i don't have a problem with frying to move the medicaid expansion which gives an enhanced match from the federal government to a more traditional match. but you can't do that overnight. so what happens to those people? well, they go over on the exchange. now, here is the problem with the exchange. they give you about $3,000 or $4,000 tax credit to buy health insurance. what do you think you can buy for $3,000 or $4,000? do you know what the deductible would be in that in and in addition to that, for people who have these challenges, whether it's drug addiction, mental illness or chronic disease, they have to see the doctor on a regular basis. so how do we think that the mentally ill have the ability to pay the deductible on an insurance policy that -- say they are 40 years old. buy an insurance policy between $3,000 and $4,000. it's inadequate. >> let me ask you, sir. go ahead, i'm sorry. >> i was going to say you'll
have a lot of people, where are they going to go? that's a real problem. and it doesn't mean the system doesn't need to be reformed. it can be. but this was not great and it will go to the senate. and i hope and pray that they will write a much bigger bill. look, i'm out as governor in 18 months. i'm sure some about people out there are will applaud that. so it really didn't affect my operation directly except for maybe these cuts which i'm not sure what they are. but i'm worried about the future and i'm worried about these people who are really vulnerable. >> well, let me ask you some questions that i just ask dr. price a few minutes ago. one, donald trump promised that there would be no cuts to medicaid. this plan obviously would reduce medicaid payments to states by $880 billion over ten years according to the congressional budget office. is that a cut -- >> that doesn't even count medicaid expansion. >> right. >> you see, come 2020, that is eliminated. and people who are on it can stay on it, but most people
cycle off because they get work, their income goes up and once they are off, they are off, they can't go back on. and i'm not opposed again to changing that. but you can't do it just overnight. it has to be done over a period of time. >> first of all, is it a cut and is this a broken promise of president trump? >> i'm not here to get into what -- you do the analysis of what the president said and what we've done. but the problem is and you pointed it out, the reason why a lot of doctors do not take medicaid is because the reimbursement is low. and so the whole problem with what we're debating today is not just insurance coverage because that is what we're talking about. what we are not talking about are the things that need to be done to lower the cost of medicine. and let me also tell you that i told president trump in the oval office that governors need to have more authority to have more leverage over these pharmaceutical companies. because the democrats gave the
law to me that says i have to cover everything, every drug, whether i can afford it or not. and the fact is i have no leverage. so i said let me exclude these high priced drugs, give me leverage and i'll be in a position to drive that cost down. that is not in this bill. >> the answer from dr. price is that this bill gives new flexibility to states, it gives new flexibility to governors and obviously could have a big impact on people with preexisting conditions in that states will be able to obtain waivers, and that insurance companies will be able to charge people are pre-existing -- >> let me tell you, the low risk pools, they're not funded. >> so $8 billion is not enough? >> $8 billion is not enough to -- it's ridiculous. and the fact is states will not opt for that. see, i think fundamental issue here are the resources. i don't want to give you exactly the numbers, but it is about
half the resources in this bill that were in obamacare. now, i can tell we can do with less resources, but you can't do it overnight and you cannot give people a $3,000 or $4,000 health insurance policy. do you know where they will be? they will be living in the emergency rooms again. so they were trying to fulfill a campaign promise and i still say they should have worked with the democrats. if the democrats didn't want to work with them, because some did not, then they should have called them out. but you tell me what happens to people. think about our listeners. what can you buy for $3,000 or $4,000 a year? not much. and if you have to consistently visit the doctor, how are you going pay for that? the deductibles will be so high and again, in medicaid, you will knock all these people off after 2020 which is just a few years away. these people who now are getting covered across the country. >> so let me just be clear here.
you are not going to seek any waivers for the state of ohio when it comes to the requirements for insurance companies with people are pre-existing conditions, when it comes to essential holt benefits. you are fine with the rules as they are? >> i would say that i would like some flexibility. i know there is a push to have some kind of a work requirement for able bodied medicaid recipients and i'll work with my legislature to respect the kind of things that they want. but there would be no reason to move to a high-risk pool, because a high-risk pool is not funded. so i would just stay in the traditional program on the exchange. the problem -- look, this is all going to be changed. you cannot -- you can't do this this way. you can't starve these programs. and that's what is happening. and look, i am a conservative republican. my medicaid program is increasing at 3%. my per capita rate is flat. we've managed our program. but we have the tools. we had to say if people want to stay in their own home rather than being put in a nursing home, they could do it. we had to fight the nursing home industry on that.
i'm begging against the pharmaceutical industries. that is one of the big -- that is the biggest driving cost in my medicaid program today. and i told the president that. and i told gary cohn that and i told him we need to have some leverage. there's nop in here. there is none in here. so i hope as the senate looks that the, and i've talked to senators and my staff is talking to democrat governors along with some republican governmenters li governors like the great rick snyder. >> on friday the nonpartisan cook political report downgraded election prospebts. "house republicans' willingness to spend political capitol an a proposal that garnered the support of just 17% of the public in a march quinnipiac poll is consistent with past narrows have generated a mid-term wave." two of the last three presidents lost control of congress over
the issue of health care reform. as a republican, are you worried that your party might lose control of congress over this issue? >> it's not something i've calculated. what i'm concerned about frankly, jake, is i'm concerned about how this is going to affect people who find themselves in a very difficult position. and i think but for the grace of god go i, if i were in a position where i thought i was going to be able to not provide health insurance coverage to my family or to my friends, that is what i'm concerned about. i don't know how all the politics will spin out, you calculate that. get your panel to talk about it. bringing politics into this discussion is not something i have any interest in because i'm more concerned about how the policy affects real people. that's what i care about. too much thinking about politics in washington, why don't we just get to it, let's reform the system, let's get into the issue of why health care costs keep rising so we can help your dad to have a more successful practice. >> john kasich, thank you so
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congressman raul labrador, republican of idaho. at a town hall yesterday. with me now to discuss health care and more, bakari sellers, marsha blackburn, jen psaki and amanda carpenter. congressman, let me start with you. nobody dies because they don't have access to health care. true? >> we all know that individuals have and need access to health care and that is one of the reasons we're trying to get in this process and clean up what has happened through the affordable care act and the marketplace and the narrowed networks and lack of access because the stories that come into our office every single day will just rip your heart out. people that can't get access to the care. they have a card, an insurance card, but the product is too expensive to use. look of access to physicians who will take it.
and that is why it is essential that we work to fix this issue. my hope is that our colleagues across the aisle will come work with us to get it fixed and they should. >> i agree with the part about the heart wrenching stories that we're hearing and that the affordable care act needs reformed. but i think it's almost perverted to say that somehow taking away insurance from 20 million to 24 million -- >> that's not the true number. >> then what is the number? what is the number? >> there are only 9 million people -- >> but insurance for this -- you don't know that. >> but only 9 million people in the exchange. you didn't know what the number was with obamacare. >> we do know the number. >> no, you do not. >> the problem is that the american public recognizes that you as a sitting member of congress voted on a bill and you don't know how many millions of americans will not have insurance because of it. but even more importantly, one of the things -- >> and the lie of the decade was the obama lie.
and it's not working and it has to be fixed. >> bakari. >> if we don't, we no that there with one-third of the counties right now in this country that only have one insurance provider. we know that there are people who were facing not having access to any health insurance. >> let bakari make his point. >> this doesn't help that. you will have people with pre-existing conditions whose care will sky rocket. but if you want democrats to help to get to the point that you were making and john kasich was making, one thing democrats wanted to do is take it further because there are 18, 19 states not expanding medicaid which have chosen not do that. and those people are still going without care and we were hoping that there was going to be something enticing to those states through cuts or whatever to bring those people in. and that didn't happen. >> amanda. >> here is the biggest problem for republicans, democrats. before obamacare, post obamacare. every member of congress is now an insurance adjustor, a doctor, having to process people's health problems. it's like you're calling a member of congress and saying hey, look at this thing on my foot, what are you going to do about it. they have to take this out of
the congressional realm and put patients in contact with their doctors. listen, i was on obamacare. had to get out of it and now i'm on a medishare and now i'm actually talking to the doctor about price of care. we'll keep going around about all the different benefits until we get patients involved in the process and we start lowering the cost of care. insurance means nothing unless you lower the cost of care. >> jen, it seems to me and i said this to dr. price that there was a reluctance to acknowledge that there would be winners and losers with obamacare. and we're seeing the same thing play out with trumpcare of course there will be winners and losers and of course there will be somebody winners. premiums will go down for people who buy plans that cover fewer things, et cetera. but there will also be losers and there does seem to be a reluctance to acknowledge that. >> when we look back and we think about how we sold obamacare in the beginning, there are a lot of lessons learned.
one was to sell individual pieces of it, to talk about people who would have to maybe put a little bit more skin in the game, young people, people who are healthy. but the problem is that the losers in this version of the health care bill are people who need extra help, they are people who have disabilities. people who have kids with asthma. we're fortunate at this table, we can afford health care. what this is really about is people who rely on, depend on the guarantee that coverage of pre-existing conditions would help them with. the medicaid expansion is helping people with. . and that is basically a different view of what health care should be. >> and let's talk about what is going to happen in the senate. because listen to amanda's former boss, senator ted cruz, talking about this. . >> for seven years the republicans have been promising if only you elect us, we'll
repail obar repeal obamacare. i think the consequences of failure would be catastrophic. >> do you agree with that? that if republicans in the senate don't pass something and then the two bodies don't come to pass something, that would be horrible for republicans? >> i do agree because people are burdened by the high cost of insurance. they want the issue resolved. they have expectations that congress is going to resolve this issue. they want a patient-centered health care system and they expect us to deliver on this and work through those expectations is important. back to bakari and jen with their point, please remember in 2010 when president obama had the blair house health care summit, invited republicans to come. we went and we took our ideas. he didn't want those ideas except for pre-existing coverage and children up to age 26. but we accepted that invitation and i think it is imperative for
democrats to accept the invitation to work with us as we look for how we are going to change and reform a health care insurance and delivery system. >> i think that if you look at things such as cost transparency like you were talking about, the lower costs, reining costs of pharmaceutical drug, if you look at those things which are creative and sound in health care practice, you will get democrats -- >> that would be great. i look forward to it. >> but what you won't get democrats to buy into,s increasing the number of pre-existing conditions that wouldn't be covered, knowing that you will put forth a plan -- >> but that is not being done. >> and congressman, we have two cbo scores, two, we don't have one from the final bill that you all just voted on. what those scores tell us is that between 20 and 24 million people are going to lose their insurance. >> cbo has been so wrong on their numbers and you know that. >> amiranda, let me ask you. we heard governor kasich talking about how he wanted leverage when it came to renegotiating
prices and there was nothing in here that would put the pharmaceutical industry in a position that they don't like. isn't that an opportunity for president trump who badmouthed big pharma? >> and there is an opportunity for republicans in the senate to work on these issues. i think they will get a ton of traction. mitch mcconnell says he wants to start over. i don't necessarily view that as a bad thing. it's an opportunity to infuse some of these better ideas that the house didn't get around to doing. i don't understand the messaging from the white house on this saying pushing this to a point of brinksmanship over and over. i think republicans would be much better off if they said listen, this is going to be a hard process, health care is important. it may take five votes, it may take 500 votes. but we'll get it done. >> hillary clinton getting political calling herself a member of the resistance. what she's planning next. ♪
if if the election had been on october 27th, i'd be your president. it wasn't a perfect campaign. there is no such thing. but i was on the way to winning until a combination of jim comey's letter on october 28 and russian wikileaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off. >> hillary clinton announcing this week that she is starting her own political organization called onward together to help identify groups that could benefit from outside funding. what does it all mean? the panel is back with me. jen psaki, former white house
communications director for the obama white house. what do you make of hillary clinton's statement, what do you make of her commitment to continue to be involved in the process calling herself a member of the resistance? >> well, good for her for trying to channel her loss into something positive. i do think if you look at her comments of what she said about it would have been guaranteed some he would have won on october 27, we don't really know that. was sexism a factor? yes. was comey a factor, russia a factor? absolutely. but i've watched a lot of focus groups and a lot of polling and the perception of her was baked into the cake for about ten years. i would encourage any democrat running this year, whether they are a challenger or a vulnerable want to look at the focus groups that priorities usa did. they did them in wisconsin and michigan. they talked to obama/trump voters. and what came out of them, those focus groups was something very alarming for democrats, which is that the perception that we are fighting for rich people, we are fighting for the 1%, and if we don't change what we're doing, if we don't listen more, we're
keep losing. >> and when you see hillary clinton going out there and talking about how it's comey's fault and how it's vladimir putin's fault and she's a member of resistance, as a republican, are you happy? does it make you excited like she will stick around and keep blaming other people? >> i think as a woman who is in elective office, it is disappointing to me. hillary clinton has the opportunity to role model graciousness, but she is choosing to live and stew in bitterness and to blame somebody else. and throughout my career, i've seen over and over again eventually you say this didn't work or i didn't win or i am sorry and you move on. you accept things, you own it, of move on. and she is missing a great opportunity for not doing that. listen to her, it's always somebody else's fault. listen to her another day for the election she would have won. >> so obviously what happened in
2016 is certainly a set of circumstances that is worth discussing. but it's been pointed out that when mitt romney lost, a republican commentator pointed out people said he was ahead in the polls people forget a few points leading into the week before election day and then came super storm sandy and governor christy expressing nice things about president obama during that race and when mitt romney was asked was chris christie's hug of obama the reason he lost, he said, "i lost because of me and my campaign. it's no one else's fault." >> those are vastly different circumstances. that's like oranges and tangerin tangerines, jake. the fact is you had a foreign agent interfere in our election. 17 different intel against agencies have said it's something we have not seen before. wikileaks weaponized the media and every show used those e-mails and reinforced narratives of hillary clinton. but to sit here and act like -- >> but that didn't change one vote in one ballot box.
they didn't hack a ballot box. >> no hacking of ballot machines, of course. >> no one's saying that. but, yes, hillary clinton sit there and sat, "i take responsibility." i don't know what else you want her do. >> as former secretary of state, she should know when she stands on the stage like that and says russia is responsible for my losing the election, that only makes russia all that more powerful. it wasn't just an attack on hillary. let's remember, they also tried to hack into marco rubio's campaign. and of course, wikileaks was spreading information. russia tv was spreading information that was anti-hillary. but i have a problem with the secretary of state making russia -- making it appear as if they controlled our election. that is a bad move. that looks bad on america. this is something that should concern both republicans and democrats. i believe it does. but when you politicize it that way, that doesn't help anyone. >> well, that's true and that relates to what we should do moving forward. i mean you look at the french election, what's happening there, it's happened in italy
with the referendum. we have an election in germany. and the fact that there are many republicans who are opposing moving forward with the investigation who are holding back that information should be perplexing to people. putin is not a registered republican. he wants to create confusion in the united states. so moving forward, that is absolutely right. now, we do know from the intelligence agencies in the assessment that they were trying to help elect donald trump. so fact actually, there is no question it was a factor. we probably will never know -- >> what we need to do is this. we need to go back and look at what happened with the clinton foundation and uranium one and those ties. >> why? >> holistically. we know that the russians are bad actors and they don't wish us well. so let's agree on that and agree yes it should be investigated. >> that makes no sense. >> of course it makes sense. common sense. >> let me just say this. for people to be surprised that hillary clinton is part of the resistance, she was a civil
welcome back. president trump made a lot of campaign promises, and now we know who in the white house is trying to keep track of all of them. but what else might be on that person's to-do list? that's the subject of this week's "state of the cartoon." he made the list and ihe's checking it twice. we're not talking about jolly old st. nick. it is president trump's chief
str strategist, steve bannon. this week we got a glimpse at mr. bannon's office in the west wing thanks to a tweeted photo of a rabbi visiting the white house. the white board in the background caught our attention, in black marker, a to-do list, president trump's many campaign promises. the former head of the alt-right news reb site breitbart is considered the mastermind of some of president trump's most controversial ideas, including suspending immigration from terror-prone regions. check. although, didn't a judge block that? suspending the syrian refugee program. check. repealing and replacing obamacare. half a check, thanks to the house vote this week. >> we're going to get this passed through the senate. i feel so confident. >> and there's one big promise that has not been checked off yet -- building the border wall and eventually down the road making mexico pay for it. president trump is not worried. >> we'll build a wall, folks, doesn't even worry about it. >> we wonder what's on the other side of mr. bannon's white
board? get on the national security council. check. although he was then fired from the national security council. come up with good spin for being fired from the national security council. >> yeah. you know be with i can run a little hot on occasions. >> get paul ryan fired. get reince priebus fired. get jared kushner fired. >> steve is a guy who works for me. he's a good guy but i make my own decisions. i don't have people making my decisions. >> don't get 2350ifired yoursel. we'll wait to see what or who gets checked off the list next week. fare"fareed zakaria gps" is next. to keep their global campus connected. and why a pro football team chose us to deliver fiber-enabled broadband to more than 65,000 fans. and why a leading car brand counts on us to keep their dealer network streamlined and nimble. businesses count on communication, and communication counts on centurylink.
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this is gps. global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world, i'm fareed zakaria. we'll start today's show with the french election. will populism win or will the center hold? also, trump's quest for middle east peace. will it work? all that and much more with a terrific panel. also, from a major bust to a sustained but slow boom. the u.s. economy, former fed chair ben bernanke gives me his take on where things stand and what the trump effect really will be. then, donald trump wants to make america great again. but neil degrasse tyson is on